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		<title>By: Alex Beecroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Beecroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, everywhere I go I see people saying variations on &quot;a bunch of straight people whining because they&#039;re not eligible for a GAY award just sounds like a bunch of entitled asshattery to me&quot;, and yet the fact is that all of the people I&#039;ve seen speaking out against LLF&#039;s decision have been LGBT people themselves.  I wouldn&#039;t want to be the poster who could dismiss Victor as an entitled straight person!  Maybe I just hang around in different circles from them, but so far it really doesn&#039;t seem to me like it&#039;s that simple at all.

Thanks for the link to Lee Thomas&#039; post.  I hadn&#039;t seen that one, and I agree with him that whatever else the decision achieves for the LLAs, it will certainly reduce their status as awards for literary quality.  Which is a little counterproductive, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, everywhere I go I see people saying variations on &#8220;a bunch of straight people whining because they&#8217;re not eligible for a GAY award just sounds like a bunch of entitled asshattery to me&#8221;, and yet the fact is that all of the people I&#8217;ve seen speaking out against LLF&#8217;s decision have been LGBT people themselves.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to be the poster who could dismiss Victor as an entitled straight person!  Maybe I just hang around in different circles from them, but so far it really doesn&#8217;t seem to me like it&#8217;s that simple at all.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to Lee Thomas&#8217; post.  I hadn&#8217;t seen that one, and I agree with him that whatever else the decision achieves for the LLAs, it will certainly reduce their status as awards for literary quality.  Which is a little counterproductive, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddyPig</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeddyPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone!

Alex,

I just spoke my mind about this because frankly I have been critical of Lambda Literary Foundation award choices in the past so there should be no surprises here.

What really does bug me is the amount of wank being created about this.
 
I think it is really important to look to people like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mlrpressauthors.com/2009/09/the-little-lost-lambdas-some-thoughts-by-victor-j-banis/comment-page-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Victor J. Banis&lt;/a&gt; who is a gay man and gay writer who has contributed so much to Gay Fiction or even previous award winners like &lt;a href=&quot;http://leethomas.livejournal.com/157333.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lee Thomas for his novel The Dust Of Wonderland&lt;/a&gt;. 

These people are not &quot;guessing&quot; what the award was &quot;about&quot; or what it &quot;meant in the past&quot; as they either won it or were pioneers of the dang genre.

Even &lt;a href=&quot;http://asknicola.blogspot.com/2009/09/lambda-literary-award-guidelines.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Katherine Forrest&lt;/a&gt; the group&#039;s president in her own letter admits that &quot;straight&quot; authors have won or been nominated for the award in the past so this is a very substantial change of direction. Not just a clarification of something that has always been in place unless you always secretly wondered if there was a &quot;good old boy&quot; network in place. Something the lesbians obviously decided &quot;was there&quot; and went to create their own award

Not a single person is arguing &quot;if&quot; the Lambda Literary Foundation &quot;can&quot; change it&#039;s direction. They &quot;have&quot; and they &quot;did&quot;.
People are just pointing out that direction is backwards and not appropriate to meet the needs of promoting Gay Fiction in a positive way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone!</p>
<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I just spoke my mind about this because frankly I have been critical of Lambda Literary Foundation award choices in the past so there should be no surprises here.</p>
<p>What really does bug me is the amount of wank being created about this.</p>
<p>I think it is really important to look to people like <a href="http://www.mlrpressauthors.com/2009/09/the-little-lost-lambdas-some-thoughts-by-victor-j-banis/comment-page-1/" rel="nofollow">Victor J. Banis</a> who is a gay man and gay writer who has contributed so much to Gay Fiction or even previous award winners like <a href="http://leethomas.livejournal.com/157333.html" rel="nofollow">Lee Thomas for his novel The Dust Of Wonderland</a>. </p>
<p>These people are not &#8220;guessing&#8221; what the award was &#8220;about&#8221; or what it &#8220;meant in the past&#8221; as they either won it or were pioneers of the dang genre.</p>
<p>Even <a href="http://asknicola.blogspot.com/2009/09/lambda-literary-award-guidelines.html" rel="nofollow">Katherine Forrest</a> the group&#8217;s president in her own letter admits that &#8220;straight&#8221; authors have won or been nominated for the award in the past so this is a very substantial change of direction. Not just a clarification of something that has always been in place unless you always secretly wondered if there was a &#8220;good old boy&#8221; network in place. Something the lesbians obviously decided &#8220;was there&#8221; and went to create their own award</p>
<p>Not a single person is arguing &#8220;if&#8221; the Lambda Literary Foundation &#8220;can&#8221; change it&#8217;s direction. They &#8220;have&#8221; and they &#8220;did&#8221;.<br />
People are just pointing out that direction is backwards and not appropriate to meet the needs of promoting Gay Fiction in a positive way.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Beecroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Beecroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I really hope “women” as a group who have contributed so much to this discussion, from Mary Renault to Marion Zimmer Bradley to fucking Pulitzer Prize winner Annie Proulx, stick up for themselves more and tell off these assholes blatantly implying all these “women” are all somehow “not normal” or something for not caring about the gender of the love story or the writer writing it and enjoying Gay Romance.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh Teddy, I&#039;ve suddenly conceived a huge and entirely platonic love for you.  You rock!

I don&#039;t have a lot of say as to whether my book gets entered for the Lammies.  I&#039;ve asked my publishers not to submit it, but who knows if they&#039;ll listen?  But having said that, the LLF can do what they want with their award, and I honestly don&#039;t care.  What does disturb me most is the level of misogyny going on.  Why is everyone acting as though the m/m romance genre is all about straight women writing for straight women, when in my experience the genre is full of GBLT authors of all sorts and straight authors of varying degrees of queerness, and is read by LGBT people of all sorts and straight readers of varying degrees of queerness.  I think that&#039;s something to celebrate, myself, and maybe you&#039;re right and I should stop being so apologetic about my right to be here :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I really hope “women” as a group who have contributed so much to this discussion, from Mary Renault to Marion Zimmer Bradley to fucking Pulitzer Prize winner Annie Proulx, stick up for themselves more and tell off these assholes blatantly implying all these “women” are all somehow “not normal” or something for not caring about the gender of the love story or the writer writing it and enjoying Gay Romance.</i></p>
<p>Oh Teddy, I&#8217;ve suddenly conceived a huge and entirely platonic love for you.  You rock!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a lot of say as to whether my book gets entered for the Lammies.  I&#8217;ve asked my publishers not to submit it, but who knows if they&#8217;ll listen?  But having said that, the LLF can do what they want with their award, and I honestly don&#8217;t care.  What does disturb me most is the level of misogyny going on.  Why is everyone acting as though the m/m romance genre is all about straight women writing for straight women, when in my experience the genre is full of GBLT authors of all sorts and straight authors of varying degrees of queerness, and is read by LGBT people of all sorts and straight readers of varying degrees of queerness.  I think that&#8217;s something to celebrate, myself, and maybe you&#8217;re right and I should stop being so apologetic about my right to be here :)</p>
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		<title>By: Selah March » Blog Archive &#187; More re: Lambda Lit versus The Breeders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selah March » Blog Archive &#187; More re: Lambda Lit versus The Breeders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Teddy Pig says this: http://www.teddypig.com/2009/09/shame-on-me-shame-on-you/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Teddy Pig says this: <a href="http://www.teddypig.com/2009/09/shame-on-me-shame-on-you/" rel="nofollow">http://www.teddypig.com/2009/09/shame-on-me-shame-on-you/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: authenticity and audience redux &#171; Kate McMurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>authenticity and audience redux &#171; Kate McMurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] despite the great number of excellent straight female m/m writers. TeddyPig sums it up pretty well: they&#8217;re idiots! Victor J. Banis also weighed in. And Jane and Sarah F at Dear Author also have some things to say. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] despite the great number of excellent straight female m/m writers. TeddyPig sums it up pretty well: they&#8217;re idiots! Victor J. Banis also weighed in. And Jane and Sarah F at Dear Author also have some things to say. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an &#039;old married&#039; lesbian (well, technically bi, but my wife and I have been together 10 years)...  

They&#039;re idiots.

And to whomever said &#039;it doesn&#039;t matter in sales&#039; .. yeah, it does, to libraries and many bookstores.  But for small-press folks who don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;get&lt;/i&gt; into bookstores, not so much.

IMO, any literary competition that has 3 criteria and lists the quality of the writing &lt;i&gt;last&lt;/i&gt; is going at the issue ass-backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an &#8216;old married&#8217; lesbian (well, technically bi, but my wife and I have been together 10 years)&#8230;  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re idiots.</p>
<p>And to whomever said &#8216;it doesn&#8217;t matter in sales&#8217; .. yeah, it does, to libraries and many bookstores.  But for small-press folks who don&#8217;t <i>get</i> into bookstores, not so much.</p>
<p>IMO, any literary competition that has 3 criteria and lists the quality of the writing <i>last</i> is going at the issue ass-backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thought -- you figure that a certain percentage of those married women are going to have gay kids.  Anything that makes a parent more accepting of their kid&#039;s sexual orientation, I figure that&#039;s a plus right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thought &#8212; you figure that a certain percentage of those married women are going to have gay kids.  Anything that makes a parent more accepting of their kid&#8217;s sexual orientation, I figure that&#8217;s a plus right there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t they (Lambda) be celebrating that so many diverse people enjoy this genre, both as writers and readers.  
Don&#039;t you hope that this reflects a change in attitude by society in general? 
You could be changing public opinion one straight reader at a time.

I can support positive reinforcement for culturally marginalized members of society who receive so little recognition, but this is not how Lambda seems to be promoting this award.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t they (Lambda) be celebrating that so many diverse people enjoy this genre, both as writers and readers.<br />
Don&#8217;t you hope that this reflects a change in attitude by society in general?<br />
You could be changing public opinion one straight reader at a time.</p>
<p>I can support positive reinforcement for culturally marginalized members of society who receive so little recognition, but this is not how Lambda seems to be promoting this award.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following this discussion with great interest.  I agree that a romance with a gay hero and a bi hero could go into the gay romance category with no problem.  There are plenty of classic books with straight protagonists written by lesbian and gay authors, from the nineteenth century and much of the twentieth century.  They&#039;re just judged as classic literature generally.  I could write several pages on the invisibility and marginalization of bisexual women and femmes, but I&#039;ll take that to my own LJ.  As Teddypig keeps saying, if a book is good, it&#039;s good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following this discussion with great interest.  I agree that a romance with a gay hero and a bi hero could go into the gay romance category with no problem.  There are plenty of classic books with straight protagonists written by lesbian and gay authors, from the nineteenth century and much of the twentieth century.  They&#8217;re just judged as classic literature generally.  I could write several pages on the invisibility and marginalization of bisexual women and femmes, but I&#8217;ll take that to my own LJ.  As Teddypig keeps saying, if a book is good, it&#8217;s good.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddyPig</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeddyPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirsten I refuse to attribute such grand selfless motives to bigots. I for one do not think they are dedicated to my community not the one I support and work with at least. So unlike other groups in my community that are inclusive I want to make sure people know about their rather messed up policies before giving them any money for entry fees and such.

They can run their circus any way they want I am just pointing out the fleas.

It&#039;s the same thing I feel about RWA and eBook Authors. Know what they are about before handing them a penny because they may end up not providing the support you are looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirsten I refuse to attribute such grand selfless motives to bigots. I for one do not think they are dedicated to my community not the one I support and work with at least. So unlike other groups in my community that are inclusive I want to make sure people know about their rather messed up policies before giving them any money for entry fees and such.</p>
<p>They can run their circus any way they want I am just pointing out the fleas.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same thing I feel about RWA and eBook Authors. Know what they are about before handing them a penny because they may end up not providing the support you are looking for.</p>
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